There are two models of the flat ride: with sizzle rivets and without. On both models, the flat bell area is unlathed and hammered to 8” inside from the mounting hole. The flat sizzle is slightly thinner and contains only two rivets, so the sizzle is always controlled and never overbearing. The nonrivite flat produces clear stick articulation with a slightly washy resonance. With or without rivets, the cymbal is a sweet juxtaposition of dark tones with a bright, shimmering finish. A very unique and expressive cymbal!